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Re: The Faithful

Post by Des Carruthers on Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:34 pm

A great win by The Faithful. Leading (for the first time ), 2700m, won untouched by 5 lengths. It would have been great to witness for those syndicate members on course. The Faithful is now in the top few money earners amongst the 4yo male horses for the current season and remains a C1 with today being an assessment free race. This is a lower mark than at the commencement of the season so he has been placed very well by Barry Purdon. I particularly enjoyed the interview with Sean Grayling on the Alexandra Park website. He looked a complete horse today and Sean said that he jogged it in.

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Post by ray the beancounter on Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:43 pm

The 6 day turnaround from his prior start may not have helped. There are no races at Alexandra Park this week with the next being scheduled for Friday 18th Sept. This will give Jack a 15 day spacing between races.
They could have run him at Cambridge this coming Thursday (10th) but I for one am pleased that they are not doing so. Not when the Cambridge stake in the C1 race is only $6,000 - much better to wait another 8 days and have a go at a $13,500 C1 race.
Especially when the handicapping system would raise Jack up to a C2 if he were to win either. That is just a moan of mine for another day - the foolish handicapping system that we have to live with here whereby a winner of a $5,000 grass track race faces that same rise through the grades as a winner of a $20,000 race at Alexandra Park - totally ridiculous....
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Re: The Faithful

Post by Des Carruthers on Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:26 pm

Another very nice performance by The Faithful that seemed a little disappointing at first but further analysis is more positive.
* Christen Me won at Addington the day after and the report stated that he "flew over the last 800m in a slick 56 seconds." The Faithful ran his last 800m in 56.1 and was beaten by El Jacko running 55.8 for his last 800m.
* They beat the rest of the field easily.
* The Faithful earned $2700 for second and remains a C1 with stake earnings now over $50,000.
Could anybody who watches the Major Star trial at Franklin today please post a mini report on his performance.

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Re: The Faithful

Post by Conwell on Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:00 pm

Plenty to read about in the Stewards report from last night...

Junior driver S Grayling (THE FAITHFUL - favourite) was queried regarding the tactics he adopted during this event; firstly in relation to his decision to hand up the lead to HADRIAN entering the back straight the first time and then as to whether he would have been better served to have shifted out from the trail behind HADRIAN entering the back straight the final time to secure clear running. Mr Grayling, assisted by senior driver A Matthews, stated that he had been given no driving instructions by connections and that after working early to hold the lead he elected to hand up to HADRIAN given that gelding's recent form line, and in particular as it had won recently on 17 July at Alexandra Park when leading. Mr Grayling further stated that he was mindful that this was THE FAITHFUL's first race for over two months and that he felt that this was his best option to take a trail on HADRIAN as THE FAITHFUL had raced well when driven with a trail previously. He further explained that he had been content to remain in the trail when ELLIOT DANIEL commenced to give ground passing the 800 metres as HADRIAN had been able to ease the tempo during the middle stages and appeared to be travelling comfortably under restraint, however passing the 700 metres when LOFTY BROGDEN improved to be racing forward of THE FAITHFUL, HADRIAN then commenced to give ground which placed THE FAITHFUL in restricted room for some distance before he was able to work into clear running on the final turn. After considering the matter, Stewards noted Mr Grayling's explanation as it was felt that the manner in which he had driven was not so unreasonable given the circumstances as to be deserving of penalty.

According to the times mentioned in the commentary they went a pretty slick leadtime of 41.4, but then very comfortable quarters of 32 and 33.5 for the first half. So there was certainly an easing of the tempo through the middle stages and no real reason to expect the the leader to fade with 700m left to run.

Anyway, hindsight is a great thing and great to see Jack back and looking refreshed.

Syndicate win #200 keeps eluding us for the time being......but I have a feeling it won't for much longer. Wink

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Re: The Faithful

Post by ray the beancounter on Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:56 am

Yes, I agree Des, I also think that with a bit of luck in the running that The Faithful will win one of the "better" races. He has a lethal sprint at the end of a race as shown last night the way he weaved through from the back and only went down a short margin into second.
Last night Sean Grayling had to make a call as to whether to stay in behind Hadrian or not. Hadrian is a renowned front runner and won a race at Alexandra Park very recently using the same tactics and that was over 2700m. Sean would have fully expected Hadrian to carry him to the passing lane and for Hadrian to capitulate the way he did with still 600m to run in a 2200m race would have to have been a bit of an unwelcomed surprise. Jack was beaten by circumstance, not ability or driving skill.
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Re: The Faithful

Post by Des Carruthers on Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:07 am

The three ' best things beaten ' that I have seen are all syndicate horses. If you think that The Faithful should have won at Cambridge today, check out Major Star at Kapti Coast 17/1/14 and Ideal Belle at Addington 10/5/14. I am greatly looking forward to the future with The Faithful. I think that with luck in running, he is capable of winning a good quality race.

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Post by ray the beancounter on Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:38 pm

I wasn't at the workouts to see him on Saturday and can only go by the workout results shown on HRNZ which look pretty good when compared to other times run on the day.
Jack has to be a good chance in tomorrow nights race at Cambridge with the other main contenders being Ares (3), Zakspatrol (7), and No Way Else (10). Yes it is a junior drivers race and anything can happen and will likely be run at a fast pace - but Sean Grayling is a sensible young bloke and I am sure that he will give him every opportunity. He is not likely to want to stuff up the drive as it would not be every day that he gets to drive a derby contender and he will be wanting to impress his boss in order to get other good drives.

The weather is a bit of a concern as it is raining tonight in Auckland and is predicted to get a lot heavier overnight and through tomorrow morning. If the forecasters are correct it "should" clear around midday so with luck the track at Cambridge will dry out a bit as Jack put in a shocker run on a sticky track at Addington just before the derby so appears not to like it wet underfoot.
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Re: The Faithful

Post by Des Carruthers on Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:40 pm

Looking forward to watching The Faithful on Thursday. Barrier 1 ... Junior driver ... Trial form good. Does anyone have a report on last Saturday's trial at Franklin?

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Post by Admin on Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:56 pm

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We can thus only (at this stage) rely upon word of mouth to get the existence of the forum out to syndicate members as it is not likely to be currently promoted in the monthly newsletters. Hence the number of members involved in the forum is low but I live in hope that it will eventually grow.

I agree that it is a waste of an ideal opportunity to get more discussion and opinion underway from syndicate members that are in geographically diverse locations. scratch

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Thanks, but no thanks, I do not have the time to create and maintain three separate forums - it was difficult enough and time consuming enough to get this one up and operating. So we need to try and expand our membership and use of the forum ourselves.

I have been involved in 5 syndicates to date and this is the only forum that I am aware of that has been created for this purpose by syndicate members. I am
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Re: The Faithful

Post by Des Carruthers on Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:36 pm

Thank you nealclan for your trials report. It is certainly appreciated as living in Western Australia I do not get the opportunity to attend and if there is no video, as is often the case at Franklin, then I have to wait until the next newsletter for information about how the syndicate horses have trialled. I don't know why more syndicate members are not using this discussion forum as it is an excellent source of information and opinion.

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Re: The Faithful

Post by nealclan on Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:34 pm

Jack was back on track at Franklin Trials on Saturday. Sean Grayling eased him back at the start in a field of five. Running in single file for most of the trial ,he ran home nicely in sectionals very similar to the winner The Orange Agent. Trainer and driver appeared happy with the run. Probably will have one more trial before returning to the races at Cambridge on 6th August.

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Re: The Faithful

Post by Des Carruthers on Sat May 30, 2015 10:14 pm

I thought that once he could not get in after the start, going to the back would have been counterproductive with those good horses at the front. Going forward there is always a chance of getting in but it was not to be. For me it still does not answer the question of whether with a good sit he can run up with those good horses.

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Re: The Faithful

Post by barryf on Sat May 30, 2015 5:34 pm

Better effort this time and recorded a faster time than Sky Major in the 4 y/o section.

Was asked to do plenty, 3 wide for quite a time. A quieter drive would have seen him finish closer I feel but still not enough to trouble the All Stars team.

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Re: The Faithful

Post by Des Carruthers on Fri May 22, 2015 9:02 pm

Welcome back to New Zealand Burnaholeinmypocket ... cop that ... outside of the front line. Top four in the betting race for the front, Brilliant Strike slowly away, Titan Banner locks wheels with Prince Of Pops ... and we slip onto the fence behind the tearaway four leaders.
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Re: The Faithful

Post by Conwell on Fri May 22, 2015 6:05 pm

Hmm. I would have preferred he'd drawn the back row than outside of the 3 favourites on the front. Hard to see him getting an economical run from that draw without dropping back early. We'll definitely need some Zac Butcher magic next weekend. Good luck gents. Smile

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Re: The Faithful

Post by ray the beancounter on Fri May 22, 2015 12:59 pm

The draws are out today for the Jewels and Jack has drawn ok at number 6, with the emergency drawn inside him so he may well start from 5.
Drawn next to the favourite Follow the Stars so will need to show some gate speed and follow him.

Race 9 [4:28pm] KPMG PRIVATE ENTERPRISE 3YO EMERALD (MOBILE PACE) (Gr1)  $150,000, 3YO COLTS & GELDINGS, 1609m
Book Form Age Sex Name Class Trainer
1 212361 3 c Hug The Wind C5 M Purdon & Ms N C Rasmussen
2 312419 3 g Livura (E1) C2 K M Barron
3 457143 3 c Art Union C5 C T Dalgety
4 514111 3 g Have Faith In Me C6 M Purdon & Ms N C Rasmussen
5 222111 3 c Follow The Stars OC M Purdon & Ms N C Rasmussen
6 762370 3 g The Faithful C2 B Purdon
7 313411 3 c Bettor Spirits C5 M G Berger
8 013412 3 c Chachingchaching C4 R W Green
9 622121 3 c Burnaholeinmypocket C2 A P Gath
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10 743134 3 c Brilliant Strike C4 G T Court & P T Court
11 24X112 3 g Titan Banner C3 G J Anderson
12 411208 3 g Prince Of Pops C2 S G Telfer & C D Garlick
13 1X1815 3 g Lightfingered C2 M Purdon & Ms N C Rasmussen
14 313112 3 g Little Rascal C2 R J Dunn
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Re: The Faithful

Post by barryf on Sat May 16, 2015 3:32 pm

Yes, looks like he doesn't like being bustled early which negates any good draws he gets.

Disappointing run notwithstanding.

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Re: The Faithful

Post by ray the beancounter on Sat May 16, 2015 2:30 pm

Drops to 9th on the Jewels leaderboard following Friday nights racing along with the return of Follow the Stars from Australia, but Jack will definitely be eligible for the Jewels with the cutoff being tomorrow the 17th May, after which the top 12 will be invited.

Hopefully we can put Friday nights effort at Addington down to a “bad night at the office” and nothing more than that. He will certainly need to be firing on all cylinders in two weeks time if he is to be competitive at Ashburton on Saturday 30th.
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Re: The Faithful

Post by ray the beancounter on Fri May 08, 2015 11:20 pm

Now up to 7th on the Jewels leaderboard after another withdrawal.
Racing at Addington tomorrow in a pretty smart field so will be interesting to see how he goes.

Race 12 [5:40pm] SPECTATORS OPEN 'TIL LATE MOBILE PACE  $20,000, 3YO & OLDER C2 TO C4, 1950m
Book Form Age Sex Name Class Draw Hdcp Driver Trainer
1 506607 6 g Stans Day C2
2 54X723 5 g Al's Courage C2
3 217623 3 g The Faithful C2
4 044112 3 g Prince Of Pops C2
5 2X4292 3 c Kept Under Wraps C2
6 224024 5 m Eva Sophnally C3
7 117495 4 h Provocative Prince C3
8 533442 6 g Graduate Under Fire C4
9 421236 3 c Hug The Wind C4
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10 416846 5 g Smart Caesar C3
11 X32980 4 h Vibhuti C3
12 124X11 3 g Titan Banner C3
13 870070 4 g Someardensomewhere C3
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Re: The Faithful

Post by barryf on Tue May 05, 2015 8:01 pm

Jack now up to 8th. in the rankings following the withdrawals, as expected, of Express Stride and Alta Orlando.  However he could drop a place should Follow The Stars return as seems likely at this stage. Also Prince of Pops and Titan Banner are snapping at his heels and he needs to pick up some money at Addington over the next 2 weeks to cement his position, particularly should either or both of them leapfrog him.
All three are engaged in Race 12 on Saturday afternoon.

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Re: The Faithful

Post by barryf on Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:55 am

Another sound placing last night,tried for the trail but denied, otherwise would have won I feel. Now up to 10th on the Jewels
list following the withdrawals of Hughie Green, Pulp Fiction, Tas Man Bromac and I'm Full of Excuses.

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Re: The Faithful

Post by Des Carruthers on Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:23 pm

The Faithful rounded out an interesting and promising week's racing with excellent seconds from Bettors Pocket ( showing a bit of speed ), Major Change and The Faithful ( beaten by the barrier ) and an impressive win from Major Change (driven with a sit ). ATC 2014 horses are proving to be very competitive within their class. Harness Jewels rankings 12 and 20 for our horses.
Ideal Belle getting back to her best in the next couple of runs would be just right leading up to the Jewels.

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Post by David Young on Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:08 pm

Privileged to be at the Park last night with family and have Jack and Zac put on a show like they did for us. Worth every dollar we spend on them, Great Racing.

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Re: The Faithful

Post by ray the beancounter on Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:35 pm

Yeah, save me a seat. I'll drink to that, and that, and that. The three drinks had better be orange juice.......
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Re: The Faithful

Post by barryf on Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:26 am

Looks like we may as well claim a permanent seat in the owners' enclosure, with 3 horses carded to race on Friday. drunken Very Happy

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