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Re: The Faithful

Post by Des Carruthers on Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:33 pm

Barrier 1 for The Faithful in the big sprint race on Friday. What did the trainer and driver say about his Auckland Cup run?
This Friday The Faithful begins well and hands up to Lazarus ... not to Hughie Green. Every other horse in the race will now lose unless they get up there mid race so hopefully there is plenty of pressure. I know that team driving does not exist Twisted Evil but The Faithful has two stable mates who owe him favours for the protection that he has given to them in past races. A slow race and we can run second. A quick race and we can cause an upset. What is happening with Ideal Belle ... race on or retire?

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Post by Des Carruthers on Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:50 pm

Tiger Tara ran second in the NZ Cup winning over $100,000. In the Auckland Cup he raced in a trail all the way yet The Faithful gave him 9 lengths start at the two laps mark, two lengths on the home turn, did not pull out until late in the straight ????? yet finished a diminishing half length behind him at the finish. Hug The Wind had the run behind the leader and pulled out at the top of the straight providing the run for the third placed horse who also had a great run throughout. Apart from the winner, I believe that The Faithful was the run of the race and must be rated in the best few horses trained on the North Island.

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Post by barryf on Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:41 am

It certainly was an exceptional run and his finishing burst in the straight was exhilirating to watch, which I did from track level. He was going so fast I expected to hear a bang as he broke the sound barrier!  In the process he became ATC Syndicates' fastest ever 3200 metres horse but being unplaced the time will not be recognised.

David Butcher gave him good shelter in the early part when the pace was frantic and this enabled him to come on strong when the leaders were wilting near the finish.

I believe a contest with Lazarus is imminent,which will be a further character test!

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Post by geejay on Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:47 am

A great performance today,race run in record time yet he was finishing it of so well,you's sure should be proud of that run.Bodes well for the future.Sure can help to have some luck in these big races,will come sometime.
Awesome win though by Dream About Me ,what a mare,would love to be on track when she eventually meets Lazarus .

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Post by ray the beancounter on Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:39 pm

What a brilliant brilliant run by Jack in the Auckland Cup. It was a classy drive by David Butcher and even after running 3000 metres he still put in his usual determined sprint for the finish line. He is a true genuine racehorse and it would have to be one of the proudest non-winning performances that I have been associated with.
Jack it is time that you had a bit of luck run your way and that you won a major race - it will come.....
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Re: The Faithful

Post by geejay on Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:00 am

Great to see The Faithful has made the cup field,good luck !.A surprise to see the change of driver,hard to see Zac making that choice himself but anyway all should be good with that.All Stars gonna be hard to beat but anything can happen so fingers crossed, a bit of luck could help and even a placing in this would be a good result ,a good field and maybe thank goodness no Lazarus.
Brent Mangos on Ideal Belle also a surprise,that points to me they going for the lead but not sure that will be easy to get so going to be interesting how things turn out,Zac on Mo Casino,wonder whats going on ,whatever hope Belle benefits from the change.Tough field though so not gonna be a much easier race for her afterall.

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Re: The Faithful

Post by barryf on Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:52 pm

Good to see David Butcher aboard for the Cup.  A driver of his ability should not be sitting in the stand for a Group One event.  Elsu, Changeover, Tintin in America etc.etc. - all benefited from his presence.

As for Belle, well she might be in for a tough night, with the odd reminder of what racing is all about.

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Re: The Faithful

Post by Conwell on Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:52 pm

...and the answer to who will drive The Faithful in the Auckland Cup is...... David Butcher!?

While I have no concern over David Butcher's quality as a driver I am surprised that they have gone with someone who's never driven Jack before in a $250k Group 1 race that we've been targetting for a couple of months now. Surely he should have been given the drive in a lead up race if they were planning to give him the drive in the Cup.

I also notice that Ideal Belle is now to be driven by Brent Mangos. If you've read my previous posts about Belle you would know that I am actually pleased to see a change of driver for her, but am surprised that the main stable driver (Zac) is driving a horse for another stable rather than driving Belle!? Is this a planned change of tactics or a show of no faith by Zac?

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Re: The Faithful

Post by Conwell on Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:12 am

A good result for us in the Futurity with none of the aforementioned horses finishing in the money.
There are now only 15 nominations remaining for the Auckland Cup so I'm feeling much more confident of Jack getting a start.
The question for me now is who is going to drive him?

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Re: The Faithful

Post by Conwell on Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:07 pm

Now down to 18 noms for the Cup with Ideal Belle and Locharburn both having been officially withdrawn.
This will move The Faithful up one spot in the ratings order, however Bettor B Amazed, Bettor Spirits and Shandale all line up in the Futurity at Cambridge on Xmas Eve so the result of this race could determine whether Jack makes the Cup field or not.

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Post by geejay on Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:47 pm

Not bringing him out to park virtually a case for not giving your horse every chance,have often seen stewards query such .Being a horse that can sit parked makes the decision worse especially considering he needs to advance up the ladder to get into the cup.Not giving him a gutbuster ok but unfortunately his fast sectionals point to an error in judgement by Zac, a shame but that's racing I guess.
Surely every effort will be given to make the cup,luck hasn't been shining on him lately but looking forward to that changing and finding out just what he is really capable of.Good luck ! cheers

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Re: The Faithful

Post by Conwell on Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:08 pm

I am also concerned about whether Jack will make the Auckland Cup field or not and disappointed that he wasn't put in the race last night to give himself a chance of automatic qualification.

As it stands on the TAB website there are still 20 nominations for the Auckland Cup. I place him at either 14th or 15th equal on ratings as he dropped a point last night down to 94. He's on par in the ratings with Better B Amazed who also dropped to 94 last night and rated ahead of Bettor Spirits (93), Shandale (89), Ideal Belle (86) and Fleeting Grin (72). The horse I'm unsure of is Classie Brigade who is a C5 but doesn't have a North Island rating at this stage. The field limit at Alex Park according to the HRNZ website is 14 so he's right on the edge of making the field based on ratings.

It's hard not to be pleased with his effort last night making up ground on the 5 very good horses that finished in front of him.
Apparently Zac said to one of the members that Jack wasn't ready for a gut buster tonight, which explains why he didn't come out to sit parked with a lap and a half to go when he had the chance, but makes me question why he wasn't driven a little more positively early on to try and hold either the lead or the trail.

I'm unsure whether there is any intention to race him again before New Year's Eve to try and improve his rating, but I'll be very unimpressed if he doesn't have another start and doesn't make the Cup field.

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Re: The Faithful

Post by Des Carruthers on Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:48 pm

The Faithful ran the fastest last 1/4 and 1/2 and was quicker in each of his last three quarters than winner and favourite for the Auckland Cup, Titan Banner. Based on that he should be in the field for the cup. How many times has The Faithful produced the top times over the final quarters yet, due to circumstances of the draw and the way the race was run, finished midfield? The Faithful has beaten No Doctor Needed on each of the last four times that they have met yet No Doctor Needed is $21 for the Auckland Cup.

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Re: The Faithful

Post by ray the beancounter on Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:56 pm

Zac was very pleased with Jack's run tonight to finish off the way he did after being trapped four back on the fence. He is still keen on an Auckland Cup run with Jack and just wants a bit of luck to go his way in the running.
Will he make the cut to get into the final field????
Jack was full of himself in the stable after the race and was pacing back and forth and kicking the walls.
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Re: The Faithful

Post by Conwell on Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:07 pm

How is it that The Faithful is paying $56 to win the Franklin Cup this Friday where he has a 10-20m head start on most of his rivals and is only paying $51 to win the Auckland Cup, a race that he may not even get a start in unless he does well in the lead up races? Makes no sense.... scratch

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Post by ray the beancounter on Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:30 am

I have only just now caught up with the phone message that Jack had already left Christchurch prior to the earthquake and was in fact at his layover stop in Bulls in the North Island when the quake struck. He was home at Barry Purdons by Tuesday 15th November and will be given a bit of a break to get over the travel, with a race on Friday 25th at Alex Park being considered and then waived. But it would appear that he will race early December from these indications.
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Post by ray the beancounter on Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:55 am

Does anybody know what the pre-quake plans were for Jack? Was he staying down in Christchurch for any intended period of time or was an immediate return trip to Auckland expected?
Obviously if he is still in Christchurch then he will likely now have to stay longer than may have been intended, due to the road network being so badly disrupted after the Kaikoura earthquake. The road trip from Christchurch to Picton is now a 6 to 7 hour journey via the slow and windy Lewis Pass, rather than a 4 hour trip straight up the Kaikoura coast. Then there is the issue of the Cook Strait ferries running on a reduced timetable (two ferries a day? instead of four) while they sort out the wharf damage at Picton and Wellington.
May be better to leave him in Christchurch and race him for 2 to 3 weeks while things settle down and minor road repairs are made.

Our thoughts are with all that live in the Kaikoura area - human, equine, and otherwise. Not a nice place to be at the moment.
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Re: The Faithful

Post by barryf on Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:42 pm

The nominations  I see are Little Rascal, Maverick, Chase The Dream, Piccadilly Princess and Fifth Edition.

Chase The Dream is probably the best but is  not the star of the All Star's stable  Jack has beaten Maverick and Little Rascal, while Fifth Edition's C9  rating is inflated by several wins on the country circuit (Nelson, Marlborough, Oamaru). Hence why I see better prospects of getting some worthwhile prize money in that event.

But if he wins the handicap event from the likely 30 metres mark, then I will feel like an Irish rugby fan.

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Post by geejay on Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:55 pm

Dream About Me,Locharburn , Field Marshall and Picadilly Princess enough to scare anyone away. 20m spot I presume with Mr Mojito ,Moonrock,Alta Orlando,Captain Dolmio plus a big front line to manourve around also a bit daunting but may be the better of 2 evils.
Race 11 ,presently only 4 nominations,at Auckland friday night with Ideal Belle and co now looking a little more inviting.But Good luck and Go The Faithful.Hopefully Belle still to improve and Queen of Hearts and Auckland Cup can become realistic challenges for her.
Hope yous got a decent offer for Major Change ,thought Major Star went rather cheap.

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Post by barryf on Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:10 pm

Yes- clearly an error, not for the first time as from memory he did not appear in the nominations for Kaikoura initially.

The 5 horse nominations for Race 12 still looks easier.

The meeting re Major Change is scheduled for tomorrow night at which time I would anticipate the offer will be accepted.

I thought Ideal Belle deserved to run second after doing all the work and she was back in front leaving the straight so that suggests she is close to top racing trim.  I was delayed in getting to the course and only watched from the car park so others may have more information.

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Post by Des Carruthers on Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:28 pm

Looks like a change of change of plans for The Faithful. The nominations have him off the front which seems incorrect as C4 horses are off 20m and he being a C5 is off the front. An error?
A good effort by Ideal Belle but the winner beat her on merit. Is she heading towards the top mares races and / or the Auckland Cup?
Do we still own Major Change or is he off to Australia. Where is he going if sold?
Looking forward to Bettors Pocket, Cha Cha B and Park Avenue hitting the workouts / trials in early December ... hopefully a Merry Christmas for us all.
Barry Purdon seems to be doing very well with his three year olds, hopefully Miss Kitty will join them.

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Post by barryf on Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:44 pm

The phone in message refers to the strength of the Junior Free for all being the factor for withdrawal.

Looking at the Friday free for all I don't see anything in there which he couldn't Beat.  The suggestion to run in a C2 & faster handicap off 30 metres, against Mr. Mojito and Kotare Yeal etc. looks a tougher one to me.

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Post by barryf on Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:49 pm

Has not accepted for Tuesday after all, which will be a disappointment.
Still in the noms for Friday, in a likely weaker line up.

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Re: The Faithful

Post by Conwell on Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:13 pm

Jack is indeed still nominated for the Junior Free For All on Cup day, a race that has only 8 noms but includes the likes of Piccadilly Princess, Dream About Me, Field Marshal and Locharburn. pale

He's also nominated for a $20k race over 1950m on Show day, which again only currently has 8 noms with Piccadilly Princess and Chase The Dream among them.

Let's hope for good draws and some luck in the running on both days. Fingers Crossed

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Re: The Faithful

Post by ShayneO on Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:50 pm

Yep, Geejay, I was wondering about that dust myself... I was a little stupefied to be honest. Let's hope for no dust and a better run next start!

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