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Post by Conwell on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:26 pm

Posie's still in for Wanganui on Sunday at this point. Yes he was disappointing yesterday but don't be too quick to write him off as he's always been a horse that improves with racing.

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Post by barryf on Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:31 pm

Disappointing I agree.  It happens quite often that after a horse in form is spelled, the return to the races is less than memorable.

Do long spells do a horse more harm than good?  A question I have often pondered.

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Post by Des Carruthers on Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:42 pm

A second very disappointing run in a row from Bettors Pocket. He seems to have lost his determination, speed and honesty this time in. He did a bit of work but so did everything else and he was gone a long way out. Unless he had a flat tyre, Sunday seems very unlikely after that run.

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Post by Conwell on Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:57 am

barryf wrote:It looks like the Wanganui Cup, a few days later, is also on the agenda in an attempt to get some qualifying points on the board for the Country Cups final.

It appears that Posie is also nominated for the Wanganui Cup on Sunday......and so is Maxim!?!


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Post by ray the beancounter on Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:49 pm

Thanks for that update Barry. I was certainly aware of Stephen Doody as a trainer and a driver but I did not know the history of the better known horses trained by Stephen. I agree that he will know the Manawatu track better than most.
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Post by barryf on Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:03 pm

Stephen Doody developed and trained Blossom Lady in the early part of her career and later her son,Mister DG, who won many races including the Cambridge Classic for him. He also won an Inter Dominion consolation but may have changed stables by that time.  Te Kawau, also a free for all winner at Addington was another top horse from his stable.

He often had a trotter or two which would come up to Auckland and race successfully.
Would know the Palmerston North track better than anyone, having trained there for many years.

An astute horseman who would have been better known had he been domiciled at one of the larger centres.

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Post by ray the beancounter on Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:21 pm

Stephen Doody is a trainer and driver from the Central Districts (lower half of North Island). He has been around for a while with stats on the HRNZ website going back to 1979. Not overly well known in Auckland or Addington.
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Starts: 5063
1st: 470
2nd: 492
3rd: 524
Stakes: $2,200,933
UDR: 0.1581

Tony H only has the two horses running at the Manawatu meeting and the horses must be travelling south with a custodian trainer as neither Tony nor any of his usual staff are driving these horses, hence picking up a local catch driver in Stephen Doody.
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Post by Des Carruthers on Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:51 pm

Who is Stephen Doody ?

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Post by barryf on Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:09 pm

The Manawatu Cup looks a nice race for Posie with his main opposition likely to come from up and comer, Everything, plus Beyond The Silence and maybe Imajollywally and Lusty Mac.

It looks like the Wanganui Cup, a few days later, is also on the agenda in an attempt to get some qualifying points on the board for the Country Cups final. As yet I have not been able to find a date or venue for the final but the most likely meeting looks to be at Hawera in April.

Will be listening and watching for Dusty and Denise to let out the syndicate roar when the whips are cracking.  cheers

P.S. No more than 4 cracks allowed...

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Post by Des Carruthers on Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:20 pm

What price would Partyon be in the same race from the same draw as Bettors Pocket? They looked pretty equal in their recent trial so the current price on offer for Bettors Pocket looks very generous.
Update ... the price on offer was accurate ... a very disappointing run after a very good drive ... hopefully all is well.

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Post by ray the beancounter on Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:11 am

Yes I have also been attracted to those odds.  I was a little surprised that the odds did not shorten a bit as they have remained unchanged from last evening when they were released and Tony Cameron was listed as the driver at that stage.
I will also be watching with interest at how Eclipse Me performs as she has been in good form lately and is a half sister to the 2017 syndicate horse Park Avenue.

PS: As of 1.45pm on race day the fixed odds have extended out to $12.00 and $3.40 and he is equal sixth favourite on the win market. The TAB obviously don't rate him.


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Post by Conwell on Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:29 am

I totally agree Ray. Another scratching from the front line also now brings him into barrier 6.
$11 & $3.20 fixed odds.....yes please. ☺

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Post by ray the beancounter on Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:58 am

Junior driver Tony Cameron was initially listed to drive Posie tonight but on checking the fields today I see that Tony Herlihy now the listed driver. A positive move in our favour. Tony Cameron is improving as a driver, I am not suggesting otherwise, but having Tony H onboard is a step up again.
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Post by ray the beancounter on Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:13 pm

Thanks for that update Barry, I have not as yet had the opportunity to read the newsletters. Back at work with no staff as yet as they have children and don't work school holidays - so I am running around like a one-armed paperhanger.
I did think it a bit much to run at both meetings.
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Post by barryf on Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:50 pm

Ray- I took from the newsletter that Posie had been withdrawn from the Otaki meeting so it will be worth checking the fields for Sunday when they come out, to confirm or otherwise that interpretation.

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Post by ray the beancounter on Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:10 pm

Bettors Pocket is racing on Thursday evening at Alexandra Park and he is to then make a quick trip south as I see that he is listed in the nominations to race in the 3,000 metre Otaki Cup on the grass on Sunday. It will take a lot out of him to travel and then run 5,200 metres in the space of less than 70 hours.
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Post by ray the beancounter on Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:07 pm

Andrew Jamieson's trainers licence details are on HRNZ and go back as far as 1994 so he has been in the game long enough to know the in's and out's of the industry, but a bit of a jump up from part-time trainer to organising a 50 person syndicate with horses that periodically run in group races and also dealing with some of the North Islands top trainers. I do wish him well but could be a steep learning curve ahead.

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Post by barryf on Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:14 pm

Ray has posted the update on Bettors Pocket.  Knowing the trainer's placements he will be seeking the best worthwhile stake on offer rather than race for a more modest stake for an equivalent outcome, handicapping- wise.
A phone message referred to the possibility of The Faithful racing at Auckland on Thursday, 26th.January so he is clearly ready to go.
I also met Andrew Jamieson who told me he ha been teaching at Pukekohe Intermediate School and had decided to retire after 40 years in the profession, so Des you should have some interesting
in house secrets to share of your experiences should you ever meet up!  He also said he has a trainer's licence and has a horse or two which he is working, now that he has more time to concentrate on that activity.

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Post by ray the beancounter on Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:59 pm

I heard last evening that Bettors Pocket will likely race next Thursday 26th January at Alexandra Park. There was also something said about a precautionary injection into a fetlock and that they didn’t want to push him too hard too soon. Tony H still expects 2 to 3 wins from him this season, which given his form shown at the workouts is a reasonable expectation.
I did not hear anything regarding The Faithful so cannot help you on that one – I can only assume that he is having a brief freshen up after his Auckland Cup and Waikato mile runs but would anticipate seeing him again shortly.
The newsletters are due later this week so we should get a better picture of where each horse is at including the 2016 and 2017 young'uns.

We also briefly met Robs replacement Andrew Jamison (spelling??) who sat in on the meeting as a quiet observer. I do not know of him or his background but again the newsletters may tell us more.
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Post by Des Carruthers on Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:47 am

Two very good trials then not nominated to race. Is everything ok with Bettors Pocket and also what is the next race for The Faithful as these are our only two horses currently in racing trim?

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Post by barryf on Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:23 pm

I read that Hug The Wind has gone as well. I also read that the Auckland Trotting Club will run races for the higher class horses even with 4 or 5 runners. So if our two can run in these races every week/fortnight there should be some healthy stake monies to be earned even in $15000 races- throw in the odd money bag bonus and it looks quite appealing, while saving the cost of overseas travel. where so many will be  running against each other again.

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Post by Des Carruthers on Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:35 pm

Bettors Pocket was very unlucky in the Country Cups final last year. Maybe that is the plan with Kapti Coast weekend coming up soon. An interesting article on the HRNZ website about the lack of horses at the higher ratings in the North Island. No Doctor Needed and Hughie Green have now been exported to do future racing in Australia. Barry Purdon with The Faithful, Ardens Choice and Hug The Wind can set up his own race each week ... surely the syndicate has to seriously discuss racing The Faithful overseas themselves ( and potentially Bettors Pocket ). Look at the list of exported horses on the HRNZ website and see how many of Mark Purdon's current stable have flown out in the past two weeks. Major Star is fourth favourite in the $60,000 Shepparton Cup tomorrow night ... The Faithful may have been second favourite behind Hector Jayjay from the same barrier.

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Post by barryf on Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:40 am

Refer Sergeant Schultz!

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Post by Conwell on Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:19 am

Sorry Des, it doesn't look like anyone knows what the plans are for Bettors Pocket.

I imagine there will be some more info through the syndicate grapevine at the ATC 2012 vote on Monday, so I'll let you know if I hear anything.

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Post by Des Carruthers on Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:35 pm

Bettors Pocket ?????

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